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  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

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  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually – a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
    • Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted).
    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

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December 26

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December 26, 2024 (2024-12-26) (Thursday)

December 25

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December 25, 2024 (2024-12-25) (Wednesday)

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RD: Bill Bergey

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Article: Bill Bergey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football player Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: M. T. Vasudevan Nair

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Article: M. T. Vasudevan Nair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Renowned Malayalam writer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243

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Article: Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (aircraft pictured) crashes near Aktau, Kazakhstan with 67 people on board. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (aircraft pictured) crashes near Aktau, Kazakhstan, killing 39 people.
News source(s): BBC The Guardian Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: A few dozen have been reported dead as a result of the crash. Tofusaurus (talk) 09:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Surprised this isn't already up. A significant crash. ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 13:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
QalasQalas (talk) 16:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 24

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RD: George Petak

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Article: George Petak (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Republican politician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Richard Perry

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Article: Richard Perry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article needs help, but it was announced today that Richard Perry had died. He was best known for his work as a producer for artists like Carly Simon (No Secrets and "You're So Vain"), Ringo Starr (Ringo (album) and "Photograph (Ringo Starr song)" and "You're Sixteen") and along with owning Planet Records, launching The Pointer Sisters with "Fire (Bruce Springsteen song)", "Neutron Dance", "I'm So Excited", "Slow Hand" and "Jump (For My Love)". He also had other credits with many other artists. TheCorriynial (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Parker Solar Probe

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Article: Parker Solar Probe (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Parker Solar Probe (pictured) makes its closest approach to the Sun (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Scientific American, BBC, Space
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: We might also mention that it will be travelling at 430,000 miles per hour – a new speed record. But it's stormy as it's a solar maximum... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Still personally determining on notability, but oppose on quality - a two-sentence update to the lead is not enough to post. The Kip (contribs) 09:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article is already quite large and detailed but I've added an update about the timing of this perihelion to the body. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, as notable a solar space mission as you can get without landing. At least so far. Maybe post on the 27th when Parker is scheduled to send back information. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    FYI, the perihelion is today (Christmas Eve) around noon UTC. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Right, but we won't even know if it has survived the approach until the 27th. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The perihelion is today and it's in the news today. As and when we get further news, we can update the blurb accordingly. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I know, and if it were just you and I the blurb would be up already. Thanks for improving the article. Maybe a few others will come by and push this quickly over the finish line. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not sure how to intervene on this as I'm a new to ITN and don't want to break it :) The BBC cite notes that the temperatures that close will reach 1,400 °C and it will be moving faster than any other human-made object (692,000 kilometers per hour; 430,000 miles per hour). Maybe also something on how it has to act autonomously to ensure it is oriented in such as way that its shields protect it from the solar energy. At that distance from Earth, it would take about 8 minutes for a signal to get there and another 8 for it to be received: too slow for Earth-based control. Andi Fugard [they/them] (talk) 11:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    FYI, what's wanted mainly here are opinions whether we should post this news on the main page. These should focus mainly on the adequacy of the quality of the article. The blurb wording is open to discussion too and alternatives can be proposed. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not an ITNR, it has been in this close orbit of the sun for the last several years, just that this time it will swing closer than any previous time. Masem (t) 13:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, this is not a stable orbit. What's been happening is that it has been making repeated flybys of Venus to pick up speed using gravity assistance. It made its seventh and final flyby of Venus in November and this gave it the speed for this closest approach to the Sun, which goes deep past the Alfvén surface. It is therefore the climax of a long mission and so is effectively the destination as it's downhill from here. And note that, while we posted the launch of the mission in 2018, we haven't posted a destination blurb yet. The mainstream coverage such as this BBC bulletin indicates that this is the time to post as it talks of the event "making history". Andrew🐉(talk) 14:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This pass by the sun is at 6.9M km, last year it got to 7.3M km, which on the order of magnitude of space, essentially the same. Its clear it reached its final destination, this unstable orbit between the sun and venus, four years or so ago. This is not ITNR, but note I'm not saying that this can't be considered as a normal ITNC candidate due to attention on being it's closest approach. Masem (t) 15:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is wrong. It flies by Venus to slow down. If it slowed to zero it'd then fall straight down starting at 1 mph per dozens of seconds ending at c. 0.1% the speed of light (if it could survive till the visible surface I assume no). If it slowed down a little less than that it does this. Also in 2025 they'll point it at the Sun exposing it to tens of thousands percent sunlight killing everything except the shader in seconds. Especially if it can briefly transmit through that (I don't know) that seems like another interesting time (science fiction like Sunshine (2007 film) becoming science fact). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Good points. The gravity assists from Venus were used to make its orbit more eccentric and this gives the closer approach to the sun and that's when its speed is greater.
    I also wondered what was going to happen to the probe afterwards and so added a paragraph to the article to explain.
    Andrew🐉(talk) 07:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait. Its final flyby is scheduled for June 19, 2025. That seems to be the most appropriate time to post, not the two incidental records being set tomorrow. (Which records, by the way, will not be broken by Parker's remaining flybys.) 128.91.40.237 (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the December 27 confirmation. ArionStar (talk) 06:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support It was noteworthy enough for BBC top story status, and it'll be interesting to see if it survived on the 27th. For heliophysics this is a major, decades-long effort, and it won't be so close to the surface of the Sun ever again. ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 13:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 23

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RD: Sophie Hediger

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Article: Sophie Hediger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article currently a stub, needs major expansion. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Shyam Benegal

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Article: Shyam Benegal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian filmmaker. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Article is in good shape. Deserves attention. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 18:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 22

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(NEW!) Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira bridge collapse

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Article: Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira bridge collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least four people died and more than ten are missing after a bridge partially collapses between the states of Tocantins and Maranhão in Brazil. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In two consecutive days, a traffic collision, a plane crash and a bridge collapse occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 57 people died.
News source(s): (Reuters) (BBC)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Deadly structural collapses like 2024 Lixinsha Bridge collapse and this one needs more attention on ITN. Events coverage on en-wiki is so American-European-developed countries-biased. Let's change it! ArionStar (talk) 18:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose low death toll and seemingly local/very limited impact. The Kip (contribs) 21:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There is no article for the bridge itself, yet there are detailed articles in Portuguese and German. I could not find articles in other languages about the collapse. I wonder whether the scope of this article should be broadened to include the bridge itself to align it with the two articles that exist in other languages. Such a change in scope would not prevent the article from consideration at ITN. Schwede66 23:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Gee, it seems we've had a lot of transport-related disasters in Brazil the past few days. Would it be best to merge them all into a single blurb? Departure– (talk) 23:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, like: "In two consecutive days, a traffic collision, a plane crash and a bridge collapse occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 57 people died." ArionStar (talk) 01:41, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri

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Article: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Asr-e-Hazir, Millat Times, Eastern Crescent
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

An Indian Muslim scholar and a professor of Hadith at Darul Uloom Deoband. Khaatir (talk) 08:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 21

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RD: Jack Bond

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Article: Jack Bond (director) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British film producer and director. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 20:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Minas Gerais road crash

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Article: Minas Gerais road crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least forty-one people are killed in a road crash involving a bus, a road train and a car in Minas Gerais, Brazil. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera The Guardian O Globo
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Very high number of deaths. Help me to improve the article. ArionStar (talk) 16:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until the article Isn't a draft or stub Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bloxzge 025: look at this now! ArionStar (talk) 11:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Extended content, unrelated to current nom
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I see that you have moved here with your usual MO of grifting for help instead of learning how to do things yourself. Please, at least try to write the article before showing up here and asking others to do it for you. Cart (talk) 16:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@W.carter: I'm checking the domestic sources and adding them. I don't know about you, but I work for parts; by the way, the information is still being disclosed. ArionStar (talk) 18:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A good practice is to create a passable draft first, get it accepted into article space, and then nominate it at ITN/C. You've been on the project for ten years, but you still do this "helpless newbie" routine. Cart (talk) 18:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm relatively "newbie" on English wiki. There are no drafts on Portuguese wiki. ArionStar (talk) 19:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then I suggest you take the introduction course to get more acquainted with how things work here on en-wiki. Cart (talk) 19:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The discussion about ArionStar is irrelevant; behavioral concerns should be reported to the relevant noticeboard. Concerns as to the sourcing are misguided, as it clearly passes GNG based on what's currently used alone. The article will soon be moved back into mainspace, so concerns regarding its draftification will be assuaged. It could, however, be longer, per WP:ITNQUALITY, as it is rather stubby atm. Conversely, per WP:ITNUPDATE, it's not far short of the traditional yardstick. --SerialNumber54129A New Face in Hell 19:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • It doesn't pass the GNG or NEVENT yet. This is a burst of news coverage with no current indication of having a long term impact. It is a sadly large scale disaster but unlike many natural disasters or the like, there's not a current expectation there will be a lot of Followup coverage. — Masem (t) 00:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now page got deleted, but I will be happy to support it, if its back up and improved.
    Support Article is short, but is notable, and looks well sourced TheHiddenCity (talk)
    @TheHiddenCity: the article is ready now. ArionStar (talk) 20:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArionStar: should have asked a page mover to move that page. You completely naused the histoire up. SerialNumber54129A New Face in Hell 21:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I got it! ArionStar (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That sounded way too complicated, which is why I simplified it. Schwede66 02:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The victims are still hospitalized, so it would be better if we added the term "at least". ArionStar (talk) 02:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the number changes, we'll update it; that is standard practice. Schwede66 18:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Don Martina

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Article: Don Martina (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NU
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Curaçaoan politician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Joanne Pierce Misko

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Article: Joanne Pierce Misko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the FBI's first two female agents. ForsythiaJo (talk) 03:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 20

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(Ready) RD: Patrick Pillay

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Article: Patrick Pillay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nation.sc/articles/24511/seychelles-mourns-the-loss-of-former-minister-patrick-pillay
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former minister and speaker of the National Assembly of Seychelles. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Shirish B. Patel

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Article: Shirish B. Patel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Scroll.in
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian urban planner. Article can do with some expansion. Ktin (talk) 01:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD, blurb discussion continues) RD/Blurb: Rickey Henderson

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Article: Rickey Henderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American baseball player Rickey Henderson dies at the age of 65. (Post)
News source(s): The Mercury News, NY Times, BBC News, The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Baseball HOFer and all-time steals leader. The Kip (contribs) 19:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Addressed: Almost all the CN's have been resolved. The last one can be proven with a bit of research; one source demonstrates that only four people have even stolen more than 8 bases in a single postseason, and if you look up each of those cases none of them involves stealing more than eight in a single postseason series, other than Rickey. Nonetheless I haven't found a source that says it directly yet, so I'll try to fix that tomorrow if someone else doesn't first. NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD Article has been improved. No need for a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Blurb Per above; quality article that demonstrates notability within field. SpencerT•C 09:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, oppose blurb Notable individual with significant record, not uniquely transformative in his field though. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 10:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Not remotely the level of transformative that's required.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Rickey Henderson's success leading off with a walk- and power-heavy strategy was transformative. His base-stealing (100+ stolen bases in a season) was unprecedented. Both of these led in part to the analytical revolution, as folks were forced to analyze how impactful they were in reality (the stolen bases, less than folks thought. The walks,
    more). Baseball is played throughout North America and Wast Aia as well as parts of South America. That's 3 continents. Strict sound (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb not a transformative player, not a global massive sport. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If baseball isn’t a “globally massive sport,” that makes soccer virtually the only one. The Kip (contribs) 16:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:ITNCDONT advises to not Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, and baseball anyways is played in multiple countries. —Bagumba (talk) 16:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bagumba you understood my comment as you wished, since i'm not opposing it "because the event is only relating to a single country". I said it is not a global massive sport because it really isn't. It is played in some countries, but the level of social, cultural and economic impact and global following and breadth is concentrated in very few countries. Incomparable to soccer, basketball or even tennis. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:40, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If we discourage opposition to blurbs for merely relating to only one country, why would we allow blurbs to be opposed for "only" relating to a few countries? —Bagumba (talk) 17:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ITN does not limit itself to only internationally popular topics. We strive for a broad range of fields. Maybe not a very niche sport played by only a fraction of people in one country (for example, arean gridiron football), but baseball is definitely not that. Masem (t) 17:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is perfect for when we are talking about league finals or very important international tournaments (which are already ITNR and I'm fine with that), not for blurbing the deaths of players who are not the top of they field. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Completely fair to argue that Henderson was not top of his field (to me, his importance is in question, he was well known but not a legendary player), but we shouldn't be questioning the limited scope of their field. Masem (t) 18:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    we can question it, this is the forum to do so and it is a criterion for judging nominations on any topic. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Other baseball players have been blurbed, so the sport itself does not preclude posting. —Bagumba (talk) 18:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Bill James, the legendary statistical analyst, said that if you cut Rickey Henderson in half, you would have 2 hall of farmers, his impact was so great. Strict sound (talk) 15:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bagumba: I feel you're misunderstanding Alsor's argument here. While Baseball is central in American culture and popular in other countries like Japan, baseball in general is fairly unknown to the average person in Europe, Africa or South America. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 18:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    that's the point. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So we wouldn't oppose baseball if it only related to one country like America, but it's also "popular in other countries", so we can oppose now? OK. You might want to check Category:Baseball in South America by country. There's plausible reasons to oppose, just not on the basis of the sport itself. —Bagumba (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, that is not what either what I or Alsor said and I honestly don't care for the ITN validity of any sport be it baseball, brännboll or swamp football.
    I can empathize if you feel strongly about baseball, but grossly simplifying the argument to "only relating to a single country" is just flawed reasoning. Being fairly unknown and not part of the broader culture doesn't mean there aren't people playing it just like there are people competing in soccer or brännball in the U.S. or American football in Sweden. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 20:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And that’s a poor argument to make. If a sport has to be “globally massive” to be relevant here, that basically makes soccer the only one. Baseball’s popular across North and South America (there’s literally tons of Venezuelan/Colombian players???), the Caribbean, and east Asia; it most definitely isn’t a niche/one-country sport. The Kip (contribs) 03:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that baseball isn't a major sport globally, and it's not even the most popular bat-and-ball game (it's cricket).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because you are a cricket fan does not require you to deride baseball. In any case, under Recent Deaths there have neen numerous sporting figures mentioned, including snooker, which is a niche sport in comparison to baseball, by all measures. Strict sound (talk) 16:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t watch cricket at all, but it’s a fact that it’s more popular than baseball globally. Can you tell me the snooker player whose death got a blurb?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe it was Terry Griffiths, but it could have been Silvino Francisco. Both in December. Strict sound (talk) 17:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of them got a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I get that baseball can be a complex sport, but the point of baseball is to score more runs than the other team, and Henderson scored more runs than anybody else. Does that not make him one of the best overall baseball players to ever play? Furthermore, at the time of his death, no living baseball player had more WAR than him other than the steroid users. Again, does that not make him at a minimum the greatest of his generation? NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Putting aside how only giving the total number of runs could imply almost anything from an incredibly high mode/range to a higher-than-usual mean, and how WAR isn't even mentioned in Henderson's article, or Henderson in the WAR article for that matter, I feel like it's still not clear why Henderson would be a major figure full stop, and not just a major figure in baseball. Per WP:ITNRDBLURB, being included in Recent Deaths feels like it's enough for this case. Yo.dazo (talk) 17:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, neutral on blurb Sourcing issues have been resolved. One yellow tag on excessive quotes from the subject, Henderson, but its not the red or orange variety that would be an WP:ITNQUALITY issue.—Bagumba (talk) 05:15, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral blurb – Very good quality article that really goes all out on his significance, but the added content related to his death is still too limited for a blurb I think. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb He was definitely a great player, but not influential for a blurb. Furthermore, he wasn't a household name outside of baseball (to be honest, he wasn't Willie Mays in any sense). The "Legacy" section doesn't make a strong case for a blurb either, as it primarily consists of specialist opinions about stealing and sliding abilities as well as his career achievements, not signifying any societal or cultural impact.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Rickey was an excellent baseball player who received many awards and recognition. TheApex150 (talk) 10:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mark ready Seems at least to be ready for RD.—Bagumba (talk) 11:08, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, weak oppose blurb Article still has some very long quotations, but it's (probably barely) not excessively so. However, speaking as not-a-follower of baseball, this feels like a situation where the impact is very much limited to people "in the know", and thus is not really blurbworthy. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changed after more consideration with WP:ITNRDBLURB. I'll grant that he was one of the best baseball players out there, but he also died normallypeacefully, and he's not the Dalai Lama. Yo.dazo (talk) 17:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD since there is consensus for at least that much. Blurb discussion can continue. Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD and blurb Definately well sourced for RD. I think the holder of the stolen bases record is transformative and influential enough in his field to just get him over the line to blurb status. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, not widely known outside US. Sandstein 22:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm not supporting a blurb- I don't love blurbing 99.9% of deaths- but the "Not transformative" argument is nothing short of ridiculous. He took one of the things important enough to be one of the sport's "five tools"- speed- and utilized it better than anyone else ever has, and probably better than anyone else ever will. (If you took the Major League-leading steals total from 2024, and had that total for 20 seasons, you'd still be short of Rickey.) He also scored more runs- you know, the entire point of the sport- than anyone in history. If you want to go by Wins Above Replacement, he's 19th all-time (14th among batters), and 4th (3rd) among players from the past 45 years- the only people above him were steroid users. He is, no matter how you look at him, one of the greatest baseball players ever. -- Kicking222 (talk) 01:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did somebody change the blurb to remove any word like 'transformative' which earlier was there? It is confusing for editors who didn't see this earlier. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We would never have transformative in a blurb, it was never there. Stephen 07:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: George Eastham

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Article: George Eastham (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 1966 world cup winning Footballer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:47, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rey Misterio

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Article: Rey Misterio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bleacher Report, People
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mexican professional wrestler and trainer, Rey Mysterio Sr, uncle of WWE legend, dies at 66 Spworld2 (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Om Prakash Chautala

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Article: Om Prakash Chautala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, The Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Chief Minister of Haryana, served the most terms, three days mourning in the state, former head of an Indian state. The article is now well cited. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 08:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Ann Hartley

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Article: Ann Hartley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former Labour MP, North Shore mayor Ann Hartley dies
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Looks nearly ready; some minor referencing is needed. Schwede66 23:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Magdeburg car attack

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Article: 2024 Magdeburg car attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five people are killed and at least 205 are injured in a car attack at a Christmas market in Magdeburg, Germany. (Post)
News source(s): AP News, ARD, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: There aren't that many details as of yet, but it is already being heavily covered. Saxony-Anhalt minister-president already announced casualty figures and general info on perpetrator. Yo.dazo (talk) 20:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support based on recent developments and a clearer picture of the event. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is false. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per widespread coverage and severity of attack TansoShoshen (talk) 01:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support lots of coverage, high death toll, pretty rare and interesting attack Personisinsterest (talk) 04:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose pretty much per Rockstone. Starting to believe we're once again missing the mark here and letting pro-Western bias influence when we believe to be notable or not. A tragic event, but for the sorts of events that we've considered, this is not all that extreme. Same goes for the shooting nom directly below this one. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think the comparison with US school shootings is unfair given that Category:Vehicular rampage in Germany has only seven articles on it, and among them there are only three with comparably high casualties: 2016 Berlin truck attack, 2020 Volkmarsen ramming attack, and this one. (Also, casualties are not the same as fatalities.) Many in the list of significant terrorist incidents in Germany also have low or zero deaths and injuries. All this to say that the significance here is not just in numbers: this was a vehicular attack at a Christmas market by a lone perpetrator who was critical of Islam, both echoing and contrasting the one at Berlin in 2016. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I think I very much know of the so-called western bias, and I think it is something that doesn't apply here (although I may have personal bias of seeing Christmas based vehicle attack the first time). The page has been well extended, and 68 injuries with 2 deaths is something people should not take that casually. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article in good state, making global news and it is a significant event. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support worldwide news and significant attack by any measure applied. Unconvinced by WP:MINIMUMDEATHS and WP:BIAS arguments; the number of deaths is not the main criteria for posting and that should never be a measure of notability. We routinely post non-routine tragic events in other parts of the world, if they don't get posted it's usually due to quality and lack of WP:RS and not notability. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on principle (appears to be a race-motivated attack and borders on terrorism, rather than a more domestic crime) but Oppose on quality. The Aftermath and Reaction sections are almost not significant enough to be needed, we do not need the halfdozen-some lines of "thoughts and prayers" from various leaders. The rest of the article seems fine, but these section stick out a unnecessary fluff for an even article. --Masem (t) 13:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As of this comment, the aftermath and reaction sections look pretty tame tame to me. Maybe they were more bloated when you were looking at them. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Attempted to condense them. I know full well though that those sections will remain a bit of a mess for weeks (or maybe even months, if this attack does end up influencing the federal elections.) Such is the fate of ongoing articles, I suppose. Yo.dazo (talk) 20:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Suitable for ITN and the top news story for many media outlets today.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:46, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support There's big coverage of this story and many lines of intrigue including the Saudi suspect's unusual anti-Islam stance, his wanted status in his home country and the kingdom's failed attempt to extradite him. [1] Of course those are too nuanced to be in our headline, but let's give the people the news story they're actually looking up. This story is more than just senseless bloodshed. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:48, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 22:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) 2024 Zagreb school stabbing

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Article: Zagreb school stabbing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Zagreb, one child is killed, and seven others are injured in a school stabbing. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CBS
Credits:

 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 18:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support pretty rare to see something like this happening in Europe, and 8 casualties is alot Personisinsterest (talk) 04:07, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Data on how common are these in Croatia-specific may lead to more constructive discussion. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While tragic and a rare incident in Croatia, we have almost never posted an attack with a single death (unless the deceased is notable themselves) and we shouldn't now. The article also proceeds to call this a massacre which is quite a stretch. Gotitbro (talk) 07:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Unconvinced by WP:MINIMUMDEATHS arguments; the number of deaths is not the main criteria for posting and that should never be a measure of notability. This doesn't look to be routine either and the article looks to be in good shape. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    MINIMMUMDEATHS is a controversial subject about which there is currently no strong consensus. It is neither affirmed, nor proscribed as an argument in any of our WP:PG. As such it is perfectly legitimate for editors to take into consideration the death toll of events being considered for ITN, until/unless such time as some sort of broad consensus forms one way or another and we are able to put it into a guideline. Of course editors are equally free to disagree with such arguments, and in those cases we go with the local consensus on a case by case basis for each nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per Gotitbro and Rockstone. The Kip (contribs) 19:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Decent article, well-referenced and with international government reactions. ArionStar (talk) 06:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 19

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December 19, 2024 (2024-12-19) (Thursday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

(Needs reviewers) RD: Gaboro

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Article: Gaboro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Swedish rapper, murder victim. Article looks in good shape. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Francisco Nemenzo Jr.

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Article: Francisco Nemenzo Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Philstar
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino political scientist, educator Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CitationS Needed: A lots of. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abhkaz parliament shooting

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Article: 2024 Parliament of Abkhazia shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Adgur Kharazia shoots political rivals Vakhtang Golandzia and Kan Kvartchia, killing and injuring them respectively outside the Abhkaz parliament. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A shooting occurs inside the People's Assembly of Abkhazia, killing one lawmaker and injuring another.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, The Moscow Times
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Breaking news, its made world headlines, unusual event. Please don't comment on article quality until its had a chance to expand. The options involved need articles and major expansion too. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Abkhazia is not a fully recognised sovereign state and isn't particularly well known to most people. so I think it'd be prudent to also include that it's a region within the country of Georgia it's in essentially the same contested status as Crimea after the Russian invasion in 2008. Regardless, I think adding additional information to help people understand roughly where on Earth this has happened is needed. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 15:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Abhkazia isn't a real country, it's a Russian proxy-state, the People's Assembly is only recognized by four countries. We shouldn't be posting updates about it to ITN. For example, we didn't post about the 2024 Abkhazian protests, which resulted in the collapse and resignation of Abkhazia's government. Scuba 15:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see why the political status of this place would be a factor. Surely if the mayor of Buffalo killed his opponent while running for Governor, it would be successfully nominated here - and I doubt anyone would claim that the murder of one's opponent isn't ITN because New York State isn't a country. Nfitz (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure, but you're missing the fact this would be if the Canadian pretend government of Buffalo had a former mayor shoot members of the city council. It's just a normal murder, but the people involved are LARPing as politicians. Scuba 05:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also this may be controversial to say but something like this happening in Buffalo would be such an extraordinary event in a fully integrated part of the world's dominant superpower that it would automatically be more notable than this happening in a tiny region occupied by the Russian army. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support pending article’s expansion. A politician shooting other politicians is very unusual, and the story appears to be in headlines across news outlets. I also subscribe to the opinion that the political status of Abkhazia is completely irrelevant.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:06, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not a real country per Scuba. It's currently a two sentence stub. And to the extent it is getting news coverage, it's clearly not a major item. Politically motivated acts of violence are a near daily occurrence in the world. I'm not seeing anything that makes this stand out. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle but obviously quality is not there yet. Stub has even less information than the blurb. Khuft (talk) 19:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now I'd actually argue that this may be relevant for ITN precisely because it is about separatist politics that may or may not have local and diplomatic consequences. But the relevant articles are currenly stubs, and there's not much coverage from other sources. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, a fatal attack on any legislature is newsworthy let alone one where the suspect is a legislator thereof
675930s (talk) 19:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, Oppose on quality A long-serving and seemingly-respected mayor of a capital city publicly murdering his own political rival himself in broad daylight is an extremely unusual event, especially given it happened at the parliament building itself - however, the article is barely a stub. The Kip (contribs) 20:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, sure political assassinations happen a lot but not directly by a sitting politician. There are few partially recognised states in the world such that the bar shouldn’t be much higher for news coming from them
Kowal2701 (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Armed dispute between collaborators in a glorified Russian military district. Really not internationally notable at all. If this happened in the Georgian parliament it would be notable. Also the article is very poor and articles about Abkhazian politics are generally not in good condition. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:36, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Those making claims that this isn't notable because Abkhazia is a Russian proxy-state created in 2008 shouldn't forget that it's been an autonomous republic continuously since 1921. At that time, the majority of today's countries didn't have any form of autonomy. This doesn't mean that Abkhazia isn't part of Georgia, but its status hasn't changed a lot with the Russo-Georgian War.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle – Article is too short at the moment. Also, all the comments saying it's not news because it's Russian occupied doesn't make the news any less significant. You can disagree with Abkhazia's political status but that does not minimize notability. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality and quality alone. I do think those seeking to downplay this event seem to not understand how uncommon it is for someone to just shoot your political rival in broad daylight, at least in modern society where we frown on duels (Looking at you Aaron Burr). The exact impacts of this? Hard to tell, but I don't think the legal status of the country should matter, we're talking about two persons who had some level of power, acknowledgment nonwithstanding. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:31, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: How about posting Vakhtang Golandzia to RD? That's a bad idea, but so posting 2024 Parliament of Abkhazia shooting. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Michael Leunig

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Article: Michael Leunig (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian cartoonist Stephen 12:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Somebody has marked various [citation needed], once they are fixed it is good to go. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Mazan Rape trial

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Article: Mazan rapes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dominique Pelicot and 46 other men are convicted of the mass rape of Gisèle Pelicot (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Dominique Pelicot and 50 other men are convicted of the mass rape of Gisèle Pelicot
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: International reporting. Of huge significance to those campaigning against sexual violence in France and elsewhere. 51 men were convicted of sexual crimes, but unsure how best to convey the nuance of these in a blurb. yorkshiresky (talk) 10:09, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, worldwide notable 2804:388:4125:E522:1:0:7D84:2D89 (talk) 10:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please elaborate. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: there is an ongoing WP:RM to move to "Mass rape of Gisèle Pélicot". I suspect most people are more familiar with her name than with the location. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - the BBC wording is "50 men sentenced in mass rape trial", Le Monde "All 51 defendants found guilty of rape or sexual assault", NYT "50 Others Guilty". I think that the blurb should express that it was Dominique Pelicot + 50. Turini2 (talk) 11:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am concerned at the excessive level of detail of the trial events. In most cases of such trials, we aim to summarize key points, not a day-by-day documenting which that is approaching. --Masem (t) 13:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This case has been covered by the media across the world and the article is of good quality. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ (PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ) 14:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major case in France also receiving attention beyond the country. A better with more context might be needed (country etc). Gotitbro (talk) 18:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Been in the news internationally. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, propose altblurb - I support the article's inclusion for quality (significant prose, well cited) and notability, but propose an altblurb to correct the number of men sentenced (see above). Also curious about rewording depending on the conclusion of the RFC RM. ~Malvoliox (talk
Support, important trial in France that also echoes in other countries, with big international reach in media. --Cart (talk) 20:23, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I think the rapes perpetrated upon Mme. Pelicot were serial rapes, not a mass rape or mass rapes. Compare with mass killing vs. serial killings. I see someone above notes the BBC's use of mass rape trial but I think there, mass refers to the number of defendants on trial rather than the number of times she was raped. —⁠71.105.243.101 (talk) 01:53, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I would also say the description "mass rape" gives an inaccurate idea. Kingsif (talk) 04:21, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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